
Had the meeting yesterday with Jock Philips the Editor of Te Ara. It was very interesting. Lots of discussion on the merits of the authoritative versus the informal- but best of all, he readily agreed to my suggestion of a guest blog - so here it is!
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"I have the privilege of heading up a wonderful team who are responsible for putting together Te Ara. I am really grateful to Paul Reynolds for kicking off the discussion about Te Ara and his generosity in asking me to respond.
It’s been hugely enlightening and a bit salutary to read the responses to Paul’s initial posting. Getting responses to websites is not that easy. Once upon a time in my dim distant elitist past I used to write books.
Not many people read them; but even so there were always people officially tasked by the print media with reviewing them. Even if a book was 50 pages long, you eventually found out what people thought. A website can get plenty of visitors, over 6,000 a day in our case, yet no-one is invited to tell us and the world how well it works.
Although we have been going for over two years and the site has about 1 million words, over 12,000 images and about a thousand film clips, no-one has really sat down to write a serious assessment. So it’s been a real tonic to get a lively debate going about Te Ara. Thank you.
Let me tackle a couple of issues. First, the charge that we are elitist, a bunch of experts who talk down rather than a wiki approach which allows the people to speak. We plead guilty to the charge that we spend a lot of time making sure that our material is as up-to-date and accurate as possible. We owe it to New Zealanders to make sure that they can find out the truth about this remarkable land. We use authors who are specialists on subjects.
For example, Paul Mahoney wrote a lovely piece on
bush transport . He had spent years talking to old-timers about the kauri dams they built and the bush lokies they rode on. No-one without his experience could possibly have written that delightful entry.
Or take the
moa entry – the study of the moa is a highly complicated matter, which is changing fast as the use of dna uncovers new evidence. We needed an author who was right up with this science. So the entry was written by a university scientist, Trevor Worthy. I make no apology for choosing such authors. The people of New Zealand – yes, the taxpayers – are entitled to get the latest information.
Yet having specialists write these entries does not make them elitist. We make huge efforts to make the language clear and accessible; and we summarise the content in shorter, simpler language in a ‘Short story’ aimed at younger users.
Our goal is to empower people so that they can enjoy and use the information we give out. I particularly like Paul’s suggestion that the expert needs to be heard inside a conversation with others and I hope that we can find ways of ensuring that this happens more in the future.
Further, much of Te Ara is not just words, but also images and sounds. Almost half our team are collecting photographs or drawing maps, or building interactives or editing films. Just go to the ‘Don’t miss’ part of the home page and look at some of these marvellous resources. You won’t see anything like them on Wikipedia.
In Anne’s thoughtful and helpful comments, she questioned the thematic structure of Te Ara and its difficulties for navigation. We adopted a thematic approach as primarily an organisational device while we work on the project. If we were going to prepare a whole encyclopedia of New Zealand – a huge job – we had to do it in stages. It was more fun and practical for us, and more interesting for users, if we did it in large subjects like ‘The Bush’ rather than beginning with the letter A.
We display the themes on the home page to show users the subjects we have already covered. But users can also use the search engine to find what they want, and our new home page includes a browser by A-Z and by topic. As we do more, the themes will fade and eventually become invisible.
John wonders what Te Ara will be like in 15 years. I have no idea how it will be packaged. What I do know is that we are creating small blocks of clearly-written accurate information and a wonderful array of sounds and images.
We have created a mass of digital objects. In 15 years I suspect that these objects will be served up in a host of different ways – perhaps on a thematic website, perhaps on your cell-phone, more likely in different forms in Paul’s learning space.
The important thing at this point is to create these high quality objects in the expectation they can be repurposed in the future. This is what makes Te Ara so different from the old book encyclopedia. For now we are trying to deliver the content in as accessible and interesting way as we can.
I was interested in the comments about the lack of in-line links. We agonised on this issue, divided between wanting to exploit web technology, but disturbed by the cluttered effect of endless blue underlined words.
In retrospect I think we fell down here, and our next big task is to work on greatly improving the internal cross-linkages. I hope when Anne looks again next year, she will be able to flit from entry to entry much easier.
Finally on the issue of web 1.0 or web 2.0. I have always been a strong believer in user participation on the web. When we started planning Te Ara in 2002, Web 2.0 was a distant fantasy, yet we built in a place for community contributions. You will find scattered through Te Ara ‘your stories’, sent in by people from around New Zealand.
From next month users will be encouraged to send in stories from every page on the site. We are also about to begin a Te Ara blog, and to invite the contribution of photos to a Te Ara page on Flickr.
This will not make Te Ara a Web 2.0 or wiki encyclopedia; for our identity and value depends upon the fact that our content is highly checked and accurate. But Web 1.5 is certainly where we are headed.
I hope you enjoy the ride".
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Thanks Jock - and of course - plenty of room for more comments - and then we might move on, at least for the moment.